Four & Lucid Absinthe


Why is Luicd Absinthe having to outsmart the FDA test by having no measurable level of thujone, and testing thujone free?

I spoke to Ted earlier today, and he’s very confident both in the quality of the product, and in his ability to continue producing it with no measurable level of thujone. (Oxygenee’s Blog)

This whilst Americans can legally drink a “berry-flavoured” malt beverage energy drink containing a “herbal extract that gives absinthe some of its hallucinogenic properties” called Four?

According to the report: in July 2007 this berry beverage was available in 16 States! What is going on? What is the thujone level in Lucid Absinthe anyway, does anyone know, or is it still top secret? Why not tell us? If Ted Breaux can test a bottle of pre-ban I assume someone at Louched Lounge also has the expertise to test a bottle of Lucid, no? According to a recent article in USA Today:

he tested vintage bottles of absinthe and surprisingly found no significant amounts of thujone. “I was very shocked,” Breaux says



🙂 Learn About Absinthe Part 1:

REAL absinthe

A doublespeak term used by viral/guerrilla marketers to promote new brands of anise flavored alcohol. The roots of this term are Real as opposed to unreal or “impressive,” and the second term, absinthe, in reference to a product of A. Absenthium. Ironically, REAL absinthe is distinguished from good absinthe by having as little as possible of A. absinthium in it. The less indication that there was wormwood used in its production the more REAL it becomes.

Source: Artemesia Alchemy; A place for those who already know what thujone is an why ya can’t sell it here.

9 responses to “Four & Lucid Absinthe

  1. What’s the point?

    For those who didn’t pay attention and aren’t being intellectually dishonest “No measurable X” and “no X” are two different things. Four (which everyone has known about for years) uses a thujone-free oil of wormwood, which wormwood they don’t seem to know.

    “The less indication that there was wormwood used in its production the more REAL it becomes.”
    Really? So that means some of the best real absinthe (wormwoody too) I’ve had isn’t real absinthe according to those who made it? Very strange indeed. I guess next you will tell me that an alcohol flame under 212F. 🙂

  2. Lucid contains some, but less than 10 ppm thujone. This is required under US law which considers less than 10 ppm to be ‘thujone free’. This is also the law in many other countries as well. Any absinthe that comes to the US will have to meet this requirement. However, according to extensive research conducted by T.A. Breaux, who is our distiller and the world’s foremost expert on absinthe, as well as a chemist by training, Absinthe from the Belle Epoqué period also typically contained less than 10 ppm thujone. T.A. Breaux collected bottles from estate sales and ran them through modern chemical analysis and determined this. Thus, an absinthe containing less than 10 ppm thujone is very much ‘genuine’. We are seeking corrections from any media outlet that says otherwise. There is much evidence now supporting T.A.’s position on this, and he is widely respected on the subject.

    We hope this clarifies the record. We are very confident that anybody who tries Lucid will be extremely satisfied, especially if they are familiar with the better absinthes currently made and sold in Europe. Indeed, Lucid itself is sold in Europe unchanged from the Lucid sold in the US.

    We would hate for anybody not to try Lucid because they have been misled by a news story into thinking it is not the real thing!

    Thank you.

    Jared Gurfein
    Viridian Spirits


  3. So, what’s your point?

    And I really can’t believe that you’re sourcing a site like Artemesia Alchemy. Do you just pull info from anywhere you can find, regardless of the credibility, as long as it fits your paradigm?

  4. I understand this is from The New Yorker:

    Breaux, using gas chromatography, tested some pre-ban absinthe and found that it contained practically no thujone. He was astonished. “Everything I had learned had suddenly just fallen down,” he recalls. He ran the tests again and came up with the same numbers. Then he ran similar tests on the absinthe that he had distilled himself; it, too, contained practically no thujone. Evidently, whatever thujone was present in the macerate did not make the journey out of the alembic, up the swan’s neck, and down into the final distillate. “If you make absinthe the way you’re supposed to, it’s not even there,” Breaux said. To his delight, his absinthe was legal according to the revised French law. Five years after this discovery, the results have been independently corroborated by other studies. The thujone, Breaux says, “stays in the pot.”


  5. And?

  6. Why would it appear that you have a problem with this information?

  7. What was the legal thujone level in absinthe set by the French in 1907? Do you know the answer?

    In 2007 it is max 35mg/kg for the European Union and 0 (ZER0) for the USA.

    Do you think that modern absinthe distillers have had to devise new ways to ensure the thujone levels remain within the 0-35mg range? Well, do you?

  8. I think there is more concern among absinth macerators in keeping the content up as close to the limit allowed for bitter spirits as possible.

  9. Absintheur said, “In 2007 it is max 35mg/kg for the European Union and 0 (ZER0) for the USA.”

    You fail to mention that the legal levels in the US are “Thujone free based on the US’s test” and that the EU and US use different tests (guess which isn’t very accurate).

    It all depends on how they make it. So far the majority of people who follow the old methods from start to finish haven’t had a problem with the EU limits.

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